I found it startling that someone allegedly on the same side of justice is questioning Sidney Powell on her Cyber Voter Fraud investigation along with Mike Lindell’s efforts to expose the corruption. Did anyone else see this or is it just me?
Does anyone know why the Law Professor with sad eyes and a “woe is me” story is questioning Sidney Powell and those who have validated Hammer and Scorecard? And a few other subtle curiosities. Just asking to see what the popular opinion is of readers to see if they felt such things were being said to cause division in the camp or if they hold any weight in the validity to purposely ask and question the knowledge of Sidney Powell and Mike Lindell publicly?
Gail at “The Q Tree” transcribed the video above.
Gail did an excellent job on this, even including facial and body gestures. You can see the full article at The Q Tree. Click Link: Transcript: Professor David Clements Interviews Colonel John Mills – “The Deep State, Up Close and Personal” – The Q Tree
Initially, in the beginning I had yawned at the repeat of so called “news” that everyone already knows and was ready to move on to other things when words were said that got my attention. Because they were questionable at best. I had raised eyebrows at various points of the Libertarian Professor’s interview…but specifically at the questions that appeared to undermine Sidney Powell, and her efforts in representing “We The People”, and Mike Lindell’s efforts along with those on working hard on his team specifically Dennis Montgomery and Mary Fanning. I encourage you to watch the entire video, but to point out exactly my raised eyebrows and gut feeling radar alert…here is Gails most thorough recap where she also gives you time stamps to fast forward into the video and hear the parts of the interview she transcribed.
Transcript: Professor David Clements Interviews Colonel John Mills – “The Deep State, Up Close and Personal”
The next question I want to ask you picking up from what you just said is, You have this thing that I’ve heard of and it’s Hammer and Scorecard. Is this real? [@ ~38:45 you can see Col Mills stifle a laugh] What do you know about Hammer and Scorecard. You talk of the Cyber Strategic Command, this unholy alliance between Google, the Obama Administration around 2012. But a lot of this stuff you are talking about is alarming for a couple reasons. Because when I was a prosecutor I learned about this system called Prism. [ @ ~39:15 Col Mills starts nodding.] And Prism was being used in a way where the DEA was giving tips to other law enforcement agencies and of course the prosecutors weren’t informed. Because if we knew the source of the tip, you have to disclose it under Brady vs Maryland. Under the confrontation clause everyone, everyone who is criminally accused should be able to ask questions of the people in the system. [@ ~39:35 Col Mills smile widens] And they created this way of training to hide and keep secret Prism so you had parallel reconstruction. [Nods again]
So when you talk about this intoxicating power, WOW so if you can keep this secret, [@39:55 BIG NOD] we can start GAMING the way we go after ‘Bad People’ [opens mouth and shakes head] and perhaps in the ‘name of GOOD’ get a result but violate certain Constitutional protections where we are actually as big a lawbreakers as the people we are going after. [Nods again]
I know PRISM is different than Hammer and Scorecard, but a lot of these terms we hear about and it is almost like this mythic thing. But it is becoming more relevant now because we have watched Mike Lindell’s Cyber Symposium. We’ve seen what appears to be packet captures. And a lot of people are saying where did this stuff come from. Is there a plausible theory based on sources since that seems to be the Million Dollar Question. Maybe you can’t answer that, but I was at the Cyber Symposium, [Col Mills’ eyes shift to left several times] I tried to ask everyone and their Mom, as a Law prof, I do not know where to even begin to ask those questions. Since I have you here, I know I just threw a lot at you. — UMMM HAMMER & SCORECARD, what do we need to know about that….
41:26 Col Mills
OK, under the laws regarding Top Secret there is essentially a 25 year embargo on top secret level information, so I will obfuscate here [Dave laughs, OK] But I think you are hitting the nail on the head. These capabilities easily pervert what was originally what was on white hats mind on… We all want to see justice done. We want to see lawful civil society. We want to see bad people put away. But unfortunately unless you constantly check yourself or there is a way you are held accountable, and there are control measures on the floor at NSA and other intelligence centers and during main operations. You have to be careful. I would say up until recently it was very common to self-report when you accidentally collected on an American. That was considered right and noble and those things happened…. Have to call in the lawyers….
I think unfortunately with some it was past that where it became a tee-hee, tee-hee LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO. And LOOK at how we can SPY on someone who has just become nominated as a candidate to become President. Tee-hee, tee-hee, let’s all go up to Fort Mead and have a small group meeting. And share the information tee-hee, tee-hee.
So I think the challenge is the lack of transparency, the velocity of collection, the exponential increase in the ability to collect. It really throws a lot of the accepted norms and practices out the window. Because it is now the J Edger Hoover mentality that takes over. Where who cares we are the final arbitrators of goodness, therefore That’s OUR CALL AND WE ARE GOING TO DO IT.
43:58 – Dave
You gave me the best non-answer I have ever heard.
But you let me know why, so I am hearing from John Mills that you can neither confirm nor deny the existence of a certain program.
@44:10 – Col Mills
On Hammer & Scorecard I will say I have been part of so many darned named operations and code words, sometimes it gets a little foggy in my mind. But there were capabilities developed and this was back during … I will group Hammer & Scorecard if it did exist.. crossed with the capabilities during the 2005 to 2008… so even before Obama was on board.
I call these remote access capabilities. Which, I am not going to name the person, but back in the 80s kinda pioneered the original remote access through dial-up. I kinda call Ferris Bueller’s Day Off [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091042/] There is this one gentleman he is fairly well known, and he no longer works for the agency, he is retired. And actually he was out in your neck of the woods there at one of the Labs and held one of the Chair Seats out there. And he pioneered the access thru dial-ups [Dave is chuckling & nodding ] Which is the first generation of remote access and he was going WOW, just like Ferris Bueller was going and figuring out how to access and change grades. So people went WOW, I can just dial-up and change anything I want to, this is cool! So some crazy things went on.
@45:50 – DAVE
I am going to move on, but the reason I am asking the question maybe to plant the seed for some questions ahead.
Is the mechanism of how, cyber interference took place in 2020, 2018, 2016, [@46:15 Col Mills nods] The tools of the trade..
The question I want to ask anyone because I am operating on blind faith, is that you have got this very public campaign, of Mike Lindell [Col’s Eyes shift left] putting his money where his mouth is. Finding White Hats and Patriots, [Col’s Eyes shift left] part of me says look, God Bless Him, but I don’t believe the fate of the free world, and the information collected by Mike Lindell, like it is all depending on this man. When we had someone as savvy as President Trump, the Commander in Chief, the most powerful man world and just to review his greatness, I have been catching up on The Art of The Deal, [ Col smiles & nods] And seeing how the man’s mind works. I just find it unfathomable that the military during his watch, whether it is 2018 or 2020, [Col’s Eyes shift left] didn’t have the real time ability, to monitor what was going on. [Col Mills INTERUPTS…]
@47:25 – Col Mills
OK so we are now to a very specific question. So here is my VIEW POINT ON IT. <=== [a bit if a strawman?]
One, I love Mike Lindell and I am a big supporter of Mike Lindell.
Two, was there foreign interference? I THINK ABSOLUTELY.
In the first two films that Mike presented, which were really the work of Dennis Montgomery and Mary Fanning [Hammer & Scorecard] Umm, Umm, Let me just say, umm… I, I, I, …analyzed this and there were 6 possible outcomes, bottom line that quality and that visibility is essentially nation state level.
AND Unless you are standing at the watch floor of Fort Mead or the FBI has some capability, or DHS, you aren’t going to see that BUT they didn’t see that. I hold the Federal Government to the SAME STANDARDS. The reality is there is only a few federal laws on the conduct of elections so neither Law Enforcement nor the Intelligence Community HAD THE LEGAL AUTHORITY CHARTER STARTING POINT TO LOOK THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR THE RIGHT EVIDENCE and I know Chris Krebs [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Krebs], I know what went on. They did not have the people, program, resources, legal authority, or even KNOW HOW of how elections are conducted. To tune our collection capabilities to look for the right things.
So I question what Dennis Montgomery and Mary Fanning presented but at the same time I hold the Federal Government to the SAME STANDARDS and they are not being truthful because they do not have the legal charter to begin with on the conduct of elections, they do not have experience on the conduct of elections. So when Chris Krebs says or when Paul Nakasone [https://www.armed-services.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Nakasone_03-25-21.pdf] says most secure election ever, THEY HAVE NO IDEA.
I think it would be far more truthful for them to say we aren’t trained to do this, we don’t know what to look for, we do not have the people, programs or resources.
Perhaps the question I am asking, perhaps there is only a small number of people who know the answer. I gather that Chris Krebs didn’t know what he is talking about as soon as he opened his mouth based on just common sense of what was going on in real time….
[lists examples of fraud]Trump was tweeting in advance about how fraud was going to be carried out. [@ 50:45 Col Mills eyes to left, then looks down smiles and tries to hide a laugh] It was almost as if he had a crystalball. And umm [Col Interupts]
@50:52: Col Mills
I’ll tell yeah, I was asked to write almost a hundred memos to analyze from spring of 2020 to December 2020 umm ahh on essentially umm what election integrity was, what that meant, I’ll claim I coined the term election integrity. And the RNC seemed to magically discover the term on Jan 7th. But I wrote many memos on that. On July there was a tweet from the president that essentially came from one of the things that I wrote. [cuts eyes to the right twice] So there was a small group of us that saw it coming. And WE KNEW THE FIX WAS IN.
And we were willing to do some analysis. And not just operate from an accepted narrative.
@52:00 – Dave
OK, so I am glad to hear that. And you mentioned that Krebs & Co. either weren’t looking at the problem, or had the resources to evaluate it. But there have been discussions at least in some circles about the Exec Order that was signed in 2018 that dealt with foreign interference. [Col smiles and nods head emphatically] Any thoughts as to why it would have been signed. [Col. bursts out laughing] And I want to say that it was re-authorized last September which would have covered one calendar year [interrupt yeh, and still laughing smiling] and the timing of that is there any hope that perhaps although the swamp is deep, there seems to be a lot of people surrounding the President that don’t seem to be looking out for him or We the People. What do you think prompted that and instead of telling me about whether something has happened as a result of it cause I don’t think you will be able to give me an answer to that. What COULD HAVE BEEN DONE BASED ON THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER BEING SIGNED.
@53:14 — Col Mills
Yeah, very simple, most of this fell upon the shoulders of the Attorney General. And the swampiest part of this swamp is I would say, in some ways I’d say a tie between the Dept of State but it is really the Department of Justice. In some ways Barr did more than any attorney general ever attempted to break up the swamp but he finally caved, folded and came out throwing the president under the bus. Most of this would fall under the attorney general to look into specific things.
One of the basic elements the Attorney General has never enforced, is three elements in 18 US code. There is no debate about it you have to be a US citizen to vote yet counties and states have worked with the DOJ willfully to register voters who are unlawful. … Barr FAILED to ENFORCE. In Virginia, 8 to 12 % are unlawful. We got that via jury duty rejection which comes straight from the voter roles.
Is the mechanism of how, cyber interference took place in 2020, 2018, 2016, [@46:15 Col Mills nods] The tools of the trade.
Col Mills said above, “In the first two films that Mike presented, which were really the work of Dennis Montgomery and Mary Fanning [Hammer & Scorecard]” He fails to mention that from the very first interviews with Sidney Powell talking on the voter fraud in Novemenber 2020, it was Sidney Powell who first mentioned Hammer and Scorecard. And how it was used. He goes on to later say on the subject, ” AND Unless you are standing at the watch floor of Fort Mead or the FBI has some capability, or DHS, you aren’t going to see that, BUT they didn’t see that.”
On the same subject of Hammer and Scorecard, Mills says, ” So I question what Dennis Montgomery and Mary Fanning presented but at the same time I hold the Federal Government to the SAME STANDARDS and they are not being truthful because they do not have the legal charter to begin with on the conduct of elections, they do not have experience on the conduct of elections.” (To me this sounds like seeds of doubt are being planted and watered.)
But here is the knife in the back placed by Mills and Professor agrees, this also throws Sidney Powells testimony out the window: ” I think it would be far more truthful for them to say we aren’t trained to do this, we don’t know what to look for, we do not have the people, programs or resources.”
Dave starts to belittle the art of the deal guy he earlier praised…and Col Mills interrupts him and saves the game….” Trump was tweeting in advance about how fraud was going to be carried out. [@ 50:45 Col Mills eyes to left, then looks down smiles and tries to hide a laugh] It was almost as if he had a crystalball. And umm [Col Interupts] I’ll tell yeah, I was asked to write almost a hundred memos to analyze from spring of 2020 to December 2020 umm ahh on essentially umm what election integrity was, what that meant, I’ll claim I coined the term election integrity. And the RNC seemed to magically discover the term on Jan 7th. But I wrote many memos on that. On July there was a tweet from the president that essentially came from one of the things that I wrote. [cuts eyes to the right twice] So there was a small group of us that saw it coming. And WE KNEW THE FIX WAS IN. Dave then answers, “I’m glad to hear that.”
There is more to question in the interview…but I will only present these issues as the other questions pertain to other issues and I have many questions there as well. But the main question I have, is:
Are they hinting at the possibility that the audits are a distraction and not needed at all, or are they undermining Sidney Powell, the Kraken Team, Mike Lindell, Dennis Montgomery and Mary Fanning to create a division among the patriots? Or is there something else you see that I am missing?
The Powell and Lindell camp, along with Lin Wood, I’m sure heard about this interview, if they haven’t yet, it will be interesting to see how they respond, however in the meantime…can anyone offer their input on what it appears like to them? There are many wolves in sheeps clothing…and there are many on the same team with what Dr. Caroline Leaf calls brain damage….which causes very poor judgement. I’m just looking at all the ones who have put their arses on the line for justice and not spent their time begging for dollars because they lost their jobs! The last I heard about a month ago, Professor Sad Eyes questioner…received over half a million dollars in donations. I have no idea how much that total is now.
Keep pressing forward into the Kingdom and let the truth prevail!